my ranking

3/10/2010 11:51:39 PM
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Moved to Cultris I Forum

3/15/2010 10:53:13 PM
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Could one get some more info on how mr rankmasters own ranking works? How are the points collected, is it an official ranking bot and what is the algoritm?

Would be awesome with some clarification :-]

Love // flibb

3/16/2010 6:57:39 PM
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http://cultris.ath.cx/forum/topic.asp?$sid=&id=340&fpage=5 

4/28/2010 2:38:11 PM
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Hi rankmaster,

I'll probably want to do some comparisons about ranking systems, and it would be great if I can include yours.

Do you mind clarifying few points about the following (thanks R4ziel for translating if needed ;-) ):

- The winner gains the sum of points lost by the losers
- An opponent of equal rank is worth ten points
- An opponent of lesser rank is worth between 0 and 10 points (0 being an opponent 2000 or more points weaker)
- An opponent of greater rank is worth between 10 and 20 points (20 being an opponent 2000 or more points stronger)

OK for 1st point. For the remaining, it's 0 gain for 2000 or more points weaker, 20 gain for 2000 or more points greater, and linear interp. between, right ?

Only the winner can gain points ?

For computation, do you take into account all the players in the room or do you consider  the winner + say 4 (or whatever) opponents and the remaining opponents being an average "single player" ?

Jasper

4/29/2010 6:46:35 PM
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Hi jasper

Zamolit ću R4Ziel za prijevod. (ukoliko ne, koristite google translater - croatia)

Moj sistem podrazumijeva dobitak bodova samo za pobjednika. Svi ostali igrači gube bodove u količini koja  zavisi od njihovog rejtinga. Istina je da su svi poraženi.

Pokušavao sam ranije  obračunavati slijedećim sistemom:  (na primjer u igri sa 6 igrača)

1. = 5 win, 0 def.

2. = 4 win, 1 def.

3. = 3 win, 2 def.

4. = 2 win, 3 def.

5. = 1 win. 4 def.

6. = 0 win. 5 def.

Međutim, taj sistem je kompliciran čak i za najbolje poznavaoce excela.

Mislim da je moj sistem jedan od najboljih. Svoju objektivnost pokazuje nakon dužeg vremena primjene. Nekim igračima je važna samo pobjeda, i oni primjenjuju takvu taktiku. Oni riskiraju,  i često će ispasti vrlo rano u igri zbog toga što nisu imali dovoljno sreće.

Ideja je jednostavna. Ako zamislimo igru u kojoj neprekidno igra deset igrača jednake snage, onda je opravdana pretpostavka da će nakon deset igara svaki od njih imati po jednu pobjedu. Njihov rejting se u tom slučaju ne bi mijenjao. Na bazi te ideje radi se obračun za sve ostale situacije. 

4/29/2010 8:40:07 PM
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Rankmaster says:

"According to my system, only the winner gets any points. All the other players lose points depending on their ranking. The truth is that all of them are defeated.

Before, I’ve been trying to calculate with the following method: (for instance, in a game with 6 players)

1. = 5 win, 0 def.
2. = 4 win, 1 def.
3. = 3 win, 2 def.
4. = 2 win, 3 def.
5. = 1 win. 4 def.
6. = 0 win. 5 def.

But that is too complicated to implement, even for those who know excel the best.

I think that my method is one of the best. The objectivity of this method is demonstrated after it’s long term usage. For some players, winning is everything and they use that kind of strategy. They take risks and usually lose because of bad luck.

The idea is simple. If we imagine a game where 10 equal players continuously play, than it’s resonable to assume that after 10 games everyone of them has won once. In that case, their rank won’t be changed. The rest is calculated based on this assumption."

Mira
 

5/1/2010 2:56:26 PM
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Thanks Rankmaster for replying and Mira for the translation !

Rankmaster, you tried to do the following:

1. = 5 win, 0 def.
2. = 4 win, 1 def.
3. = 3 win, 2 def.
4. = 2 win, 3 def.
5. = 1 win. 4 def.
6. = 0 win. 5 def.

So it means that you managed to get at least the sorted results (i..e winner, last to defeat ... first to defeat). How did u do it ?

Moreover, when computing your ranking, do you take into account all the daily games or just when u're online ?

Btw, I'm working on the automatic backup of all the daily games for now. Still waiting for devs to confirm if we can get the results in a sorted sequence...

I can send u an email with the details if u're interested in.

Jasper

 

 

 

 

 

 

5/1/2010 11:19:36 PM
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qoute:

''So it means that you managed to get at least the sorted results (i..e winner, last to defeat ... first to defeat). How did u do it''

Only when I'm in the game.

Option: time plaed/pres ''print screen''/ paste new slide document powerPoint/pres ctrlM (insert new slide)/pres ctrl tab (back cultris)...

I think it's complicated.

quote:

"Moreover, when computing your ranking, do you take into account all the daily games or just when u're online ?"

Only online

I do not have time to calculate all the daily games

5/2/2010 4:56:35 PM
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Ok thanks clear enough.

If you don't mind, I'll probably implement ur algorithm (the one you are currently using) against 2 others for comparison...I'll let you know !

Jasper

 

 

5/16/2010 9:08:58 PM
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you should remove the people who didn't play in a long while :s

eventually, make a list of records like a top 10 of best scores ever reached by different players.

i didn't understand if whether or not you're taking into consideration the players who lose in second, or 3rd, etc... it must be a lot of work to count manually, but it would be worth it to add if jasper is coding it :p also currently it's biased because we have to be good when you are watching the games, not before or after...

it'll be interesting to see if it's implemented in the game