I'm sure you've heard of 'macros', right? On modern 'gaming' keyboards and mice, they let you assign full sets of key presses, including delays, to single keys. If we set up a macro for every possible drop keypress combination, I do believe it would be possible to play Cultris as fast as one can type.

I block: 2 rotations, 7 horizontal positions, 10 vertical positions.

T block: 4 rotations, 9 vertical positions, 8 horizontal positions.

S blocks: 2 reflections, two rotations, 8 horizontal positions, 9 vertical positions

L blocks: 2 reflections, four rotations, 8 horizontal positions, 9 vertical positions.

O block: 9 positions.

Total number of macros needed: 1301, not including soft drops.

Of course, this is not the ideal number, which treats each block separately. A DAS right, double rotate is the same for an O and an I block. I will figure out the ideal number and get to work recording macros.

Interesting...

I wonder if people that play cultris at the moment use macro's, anyone?

i wouldn't call it cheating. If you're that dedicated to learn a system like that, you earned it :-D

I think Paradox came very close to his non-macro score of 28 s so it would be interesting if someone sub 25 would try and invest his time in learning this to see if there's really an advantage.

I think that when you increase the number of keys, it will indeed of course decrease the number of keys per block, but it will probably increase the delay between the moment when you have taken the decision of where to put the block, and the moment when you press the first key.

Indeed, the fewer the keys, the less movement  you will need to make with the hand from the position it is right now to the position it must acquire to press the desired key and as opposite, the more the keys, longer will be the distance to go from actual position to the position of the desired key.

SO it is not certain that having more keys will necessarily be an advantage to gain speed.

If you compare tetris playing with sentences typing, it would be like comparing typing speed of english in dvorak (= keyblox)  and typing speed of a language using only Q,W,E,R,T letters in Qwerty(= cultris without macros)

if you want to try it out and get better with a macro-system i m fine with it. try it offline, with bots, or with your friends. but dont use it online against other players.

I agree, that Macro users should not play in Tournaments, except when all issues are arranged in advance. But why shouldn't I allowed to play Cultris online? I try to explain everybody, what I am doing and I don't take away the first ranking positions.

Many Multrisers don't really care, how I play. They just want to have some other competitive players around to play some good games. That's happening, when a community is small. In mean games some other Multrisers are better, but I have made the best human Multris score. There are many inactive players in the list and a bot in the first position, so it makes no big difference.

This doesn't mean automatically, that playing Cultris with macros makes you faster. The key repeat rate and delay in Multris is the same as the operating system is using. So probably those settings are more flexible in Cultris. And you can use the SRS rotating system to have lesser keystrokes than in Multris. Playing fast with not many misdrops is an advantage, but you will also have problems to stack high. You can't navigate the falling piece around a high stack, because you can't change the order of rotations and sideways movements. Using the slowly drop key is also difficult, as all fingers are already in use.

The rest of my post is a little more generalized:

i just hope that the community is "wise" enough and has enough courage not to betray their fellow players

Many average players like Nik are thinking, that everyone, who is better than them, deserves it, doesn't matter how it's done (when at least a human is playing). But most top players feel like you - fearing the unknown, wanting to stay the best. ( This reminds me a bit off the Hard Drop poll, in which some HD were thinking, that some strangers would take away their blockbox tournament. )  And this is, why probably everything will stay, as it is. Why taking all the time - one month at least - learning how to play with macros, just to become an outcast?

also you dont really have to "learn" the system, by using a program that helps you play faster and with less missdrops.

Probably there were some technical evolutions in Cultris, something like stacking/down-stacking style or which rotation system to use. Top players had to adapt themselves to stay the best. IMO that's how it should be. Competitive sports have to develop. As an example ski jumping: There were not only jumping-technical innovations (like V style or telemark), there were also material changes. When Sven Hannawald used broader skis and won all 4 competitions of the 4 hills tournament, everybody complained, but soon everybody used them, too. When Simon Ammann won his last Olympic titles, some people complained about his curved connecting rods (or however this is called in English), but soon most jumpers were using it. Of course you have to follow the rules. When the BMI index was introduced, everybody had to gain weight. Transferred to Cultris, this means: As long the Devs don't say: Macros are forbidden, they are not.

there is no (?) way to prove that ppl using macros

How to recognize, that someone is using macros (I don't mean the 180° turn macro):
Cultris 1: Macro users usually have an unnatural high keys per block rate, as every sideways movement is one keystroke. Me having about 4. Of course you could also simulate holding down a key, but that would make you slower, so no real advantage.
Cultris 2: Normally, you should see other players moving there pieces (at least I can see the bots doing that). The movement of macro users should be more abrupt. If you were playing against me in Cultris 2, probably you would only see the falling pieces in their spawning positions and then suddenly dropped down.

And for the completeness, how to recognize a bot:
Only well programmed bots will have the ability to move the falling piece under your stack ( slow drop ).There building style will be majorly fixed. If you are unsure, if you are playing against a bot, you can ask her/him to change it: Leave the initial gap at the other side or in the middle, use 3-gap instead of 2-gap etc.

I try to explain everybody, what I am doing and I don't take away the first ranking positions. 

cultris isnt just about ranking+score..it bugs players when they lose, and the moment you realise that you probably lost cause someone used additional programs or hardware in order to play better -> they get pissed. its understandable.

But most top players feel like you - fearing the unknown, wanting to stay the best. ( This reminds me a bit off the Hard Drop poll, in which some HD were thinking, that some strangers would take away their blockbox tournament. ) And this is, why probably everything will stay, as it is. Why taking all the time - one month at least - learning how to play with macros, just to become an outcast?

that is right. it would really bug me when that ppl get better with less training-time and especially with additional programs or hardware. thats human, isnt it?

@skijumping: i heard gregor schlierenzauer doesnt use the new curved connecting rods ;-) (just sayin..)

sure you re right that macros are "ok" as long the devs say that they re "ok". this is just my opinion here, and i dont wanna "stop" the development of tetris, but as long as just a few know how to do it, its not a technique, its just unfair.

when simon or nik will answer this post, and "allow" to use it, then i at least expect a really nice tutorial on how to do it.. either an official one by them, or by you.
otherwise i m definitly and 100% against the use.

i dont use macro and i didnt know it was possible --'

do i really need it for play better ?

no.. i dont think.

just go training your 2 rotates skills is enough for play good

It's clear that there's no feasible method to detect macro software/hardware so we don't even try to. But we encourage players not to use macros. Especially in tournaments or in (ranked) online games.